I saw the video clip of that hyperlink in 2008 on CNN. If memory served, he left home and started to meditate under a big tree, after a few month people near and far started to worship him and some claimed that was a reincarnated Buddha.

CNN left the video recorded captured him walking to a comfort station and back- where did the output came from if he did not consume anything? I am not basing this on scientific, but the creator of Buddhism himself- Sakamuni Buddha was on the verge of death after a long period of meditation without a single consumption until a group villager came to the rescue after seeing him collapsed.

I have no idea where the mt keylas is. its preah kru who said mt keyla is in heaven(pause at 1:25 read the subtitle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9-qN821Yc&feature=related). he brought video camera to heaven. you beleive that,hempsoo?I dont believe that. I am not trying to convince the media,I dont have that power.I jus want to help preah kru spead his video from heaven...:). I dont think there is something wrong with that.

about palen dorje check this video from discovery chanel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1wbUSBN48g&feature=related

and here at 3:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG45M4ORrWQ&feature=related  He will meditate for 6 years.he sit like that since 2006. its 4 years now. I would like to see lok ta Vuthy sit like that for 4 days  :)  and filming non stop by DISCOVERY not by preah kru himself.

Palden Dorje is a real Holly man.Preah kru Vuthy is fake. thats my opinion, you dont have to agree with me. maybe I'm wrong...time will tell the true

 If it is a scam, the little boy still did it better than preah kru Vuthy filming at a tourist site and claim it was from heaven..! my god..!

chek this  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1wbUSBN48g&feature=related

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Geeze. Why didn't I think of that?! MrJomNab. With all due respect, we all choose to do things within our own enlightenment correct? Therefore, would I denounce your behaviour, or advise you on what is the better path?

You don't see anything in Lok Ta. I do. Never mind $5 million, $100 million I gladly give them to him. Why? Because he knows what to do with it, what I wish him to do with it. You, on the other hand is a business man. You would gladly pocket those money and I will wait until pigs fly for my money to have any use to the homeless people in Cambodia. 

You can not know for certainty that Lok Ta is telling falsehood, but you operate on the basis of certainty---Truth! I question your conviction for is it Truth you seek or is your motive stemming from a more vile nature, one that exudes so thickly of ignorance, that you say without a doubt that you would gladly go to hell if you are wrong. Such is your fruit, I cannot stop it.

If you know how hard it is to be born as a human being, you would draw caution in what spews forth from your mouth. If you have no concern for the wellbeing of others (telling people that such and such a person is a lie base on your limitation of Truth is not for the well being of others. Therefore, it is not compassion you are spreading, but ignorance!), may you at least have compassion for yourself. This is just my advice. Take it or leave it as it is only the nature of things in general.  

N1985,

Thank you for your observations. Forgive me for seeming to ignore you. I had thought I had addressed some of my stances with regards to the video clip(s) at hand in my many responses to MrJomNab to not warrant any further detail. There are key points throughout my responses to MrJomNab, but I can understand that most of my posts are rather lengthy to give them any benefit of reading. But, I respect your concern and I will address it as well as I can from my view point and view point only.

You are correct in your observation in terms of the natural environment as seen with respect to what Lok Ta proclaims in the video. In fact, that coincides with most observations, in my opinion, of most people of the world. I uploaded the video so that we can be more aware of our environment. What we take for granted is something else to another person for the difference lies in our dedication to training. A person cannot see what it is that Lok ta alludes to. But, through training, a person can for the world does not lie to us, but we ourselves are lying. We lie through the limitations we set upon ourselves, by conforming others to our own narrow box of existence. If one thinks a person is lying to us, then first let us not lie to ourselves. Take the challenge to beginning the training process. In the challenge, before one can denounce its failure, one must assess if one has truly gone to the limits. If one cannot go to the limit, one cannot say for certain that anybody saying something outrageous is a liar. However, not too many of us take this challenge. As such, we can only take things with a grain of salt for the time being. Hence, the Middle Way as prescribed by The Buddha. That is the purpose I want to spread.

You are correct also in your observation of Buddhism as a whole. It is changing. I have no qualm if it is for the good. But, sadly it is changing for the worse. Lok Ta is here to reorganize Buddhism. Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism. Both are interchangeable in the grand scheme of things. He is saying that if we shun one sect and forget our origin, we can’t prosper. For Buddhism to prosper, Buddhism must turn back to embrace Hinduism. These Gods are Buddha within their own right.

Lok Ta (through this video clip(s) I uploaded or not) said that Heaven and Earth are no different. (It is my understanding here, that they exist in parallel) He is saying that this Mt. Keylas or L’ang aka cave (Batu Cave) is Heaven. One of the ways we can differentiate Heaven vs. Earth is by the trees. In Heaven, trees can only grow on mountains. Hence, we can say the mountain (or any) itself is the realm called Heaven where the GODs reside. On Earth, we see trees existing in both land and mountain. This is just an example as seen in the video clip.

The statues are likeness of the GODs that exist. They are still alive (their spirit). They(statues) are treated as a live being for their power are still prevalent. If those (powerful beings in the pursuit of evil to plunder sacred objects like Sarakak Theit that are distributed throughout the world after The Buddha entered Parinibbana and are safeguarded in that cave) who disguise (as in making themselves invisible) themselves to fool these Gods, they cannot pass for these statues are the guardians of the cave. To our naked eyes, we can’t see them in such pursuit. We see ordinary-ness for we lack such depths of training to perceive the unseen.

According to MrJomNab, he only sees it as a place on Earth. That is correct for him as he brought evidence that it is in the place called Batu Cave in Malaysia. Yet, according to Hemsoo, that place is the place revered by many Hindu as the place of the Gods. It is sacred. Therefore, to say it is only Earth is incorrect, for it is the place of residence by the Gods for millennium. As such, we can say through our limited understanding that it can be Heaven for only Gods reside in Heaven, as it appears. Technically, Gods can reside anywhere, but for the ease of communication, we just say it as such.

My stance in this is The Middle Way. The answer lies in both the two observations put forth by MrJomNab and Hemsoo. To eradicate ignorance is to take the challenge. Don’t point fingers, but take the path to disprove of the claim Lok Ta made. If one does not have the time, then take things with a grain of salt and refrain from pointing fingers for that is not a wise thing to do where often times we are proven otherwise by time.

From my understanding of Lok Ta's sermon, there are two kinds of monk---"Song Sonamot" or "Somatasong" and "Ariya Song".

Somatasong is a monk who is ordained through his own promise that he would hold the precepts. He is saying he is holy on the benefit of his supporters. He is witnessed by the laypersons. If the laypersons cannot give him food, he dies. A Somatasong must shaved his head to make people believe in him.

Ariya Song is a monk who is ordained by Nature. Gods witness his ordaination. He is given foods by the Gods. These are people like Tawpasi Palden Dorje. Air, moisture, sunlights, etc., are Gods offered by the Gods. They do not need human's benevelence. An Ariya Song cut his hair once and allows it to regrow. He is really hard to be believed by most people who do not understand the difference.

Lok Ta cannot be like Buddha Boy because Lok Ta had went through the Path already. He, who is like the Buddha Boy, is on the path, subject for alot of distractions.

Said that he is going to a tourist destination to claim it as heaven. You have no idea how many places he had been. He is on a mission and think it that Buddha Boy, who is in training (no disrespect), could do what Lok Ta has to do to prepare for what is to come in the future?

You cannot perceive what is in stored for the future even when it is told to you. So, how can you possibly perceive what is one among the many undertakings of Lok Ta?

MrJomNab. You are wrong to think that things could be proven absolutely as you have implied here,  through the technologies of the world. It could only be explained partially, and distorted at that, depending on who's agenda it is benefitting. To know the Truth, must you rely on the media? If the media tells us to jump off a cliff for that is the best thing to do in the world, would you do it? Likewise, you said the same thing with Lok Ta. Lok Ta is not forcing anybody to believe. You don't believe, fine. You said he lies? Take the training. Don't rely on science, other person's biased knowledge, to do your own thinking.

Meanwhile we. the followers, are being educated in the spiritual path. You think you are spreading the news of Lok Ta. Yet, you exerted your clouded perception of negativity to say that you are doing a good service. Please, don't insult our intelligence in this regard, Sir!

Reksmay;

I apprecaite your lengthy response, and admire the exertion into propagating Buddhism.

The foremost  fundamental principles for any religious leader or leader is the practice caution and awareness of one's speech and conduct. Repeated observant of 'Lok Ta's ' tone and speeches did not abide by this very basic principle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9-qN821Yc&feature=related 

I considered my Khmer listening comprehension is pretty good. Nearing the end of the above video clip 'Lok Ta' indirectly claimed part of an area he recorded is Heaven- granted, it might a santuary for the spirits but to blantantly claimed an earth's landscape is heaven or a stone sculpture is living deity is erreneous in the moral legitimacy of speech for a person of his stature. The khmer language is not limited; there are adequate ways of conveying one's speech without exaggeration.

I strongly disagree that Buddhism stem from Hiduism- both however share many similarities. The idea of merging Buddhism with Hiduism is deleterous because the belief and conduct of Buddism organisation differ from regions and countries thus if Buddhism is merge or embrace Hinduism will create religous chaos.

A man flatly laid on a rock half naked while a green carpet was being waved over his body by 2 men who seemly have a certain authority performing an unsual ritual giving the man being received a Buddhahood status/ 'Magic Kid' or "Maitreya Buddha2b Khmer Buddhist Sermon".  After completion the 'Magic Kid' walked into a bank to retreive a Buddha statue underneath the cave- 1 of the 2 men recently blessed him his status loudly murmured "ooh ooh' is itdeep? Is it?" and a sound of giggle by the cameraman in the background. It's embarrasing and utterly rediculous if one believed something like this is authentic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72X0HFXBPd0&feature=related

I agree that it is wrong to sit on one's high chair and play the critic until one have walked 10 miles in that person's shoe or take up the 'challenge' have the right  to judge others. But one's life cycle is limited- observation and thorough investigation are one of the feasible routes.

Hmmm.....

n1985, your observations of the clips are not based on its entirety. To me, Lok Ta is saying things that are true to him...at the beginning of the playlist, he is apologizing to his viewers if what he said is not appearing true to them. (My apologies that I can't produce the entire playlist at this moment, but if one goes to KC on my homepage, one may see the playlist).

It is but the inadequacy of attainment of merits, not because of anything. I can understand that if you happen to be in the middle of things like a clip, as any clip can appear through tagged key words, you might heard what is said controversially, and therefore would assume he is saying absolutely, vehemently to others. As an observer, one must view with one part self and one part others. It is with forgiving that we observe what he is showing free from judgement, but the judgement that if we don't believe, we continue to observe.

In Buddhism it is the truth in merit accumulation that we can perceive a certain Truth. I do not fault your observation because although we are living in the current life, not one of us can start the journey at the same time. This is assuming that we, all of us, are Buddhist. Imagine if one is not a Buddhist, it is even harder. There is a certain explanation I have in mind that is rather difficult to express it in writing with regards to the limitation of life.

Because of the limitation of life, one has to make careful judgement base on the available resources out there. If the resource tells you to be cautious, then it is within your observation. Can you deny others of what it is that you can't see? A glass of water, depending on one's background, can perceive it as half-empty vs. half-full without the fault of the glass at all. The very same giggle and laugther where you perceive as some kind of joke, a facade, are the very tone of understanding in my part...

It is the understanding that Lok Ta's disciple is acting on behalf of a "Little Boy" who must retrieve the Mother Buddha that was located past the "Water of Evil", and through wading back and forth, he happened to flash a little. Is that so bad? But, as it is, it appears very light, doesn't it? But, if one cannot go through such ritual of protection as Lok Ta had demonstrated, can one be really sure that that can be done----the fact that "The Little Boy" (disciple acting in place of one), can retrieve the amulets of protection? The same blanket with thousands of mantra written on it is perceived as just a bunch of drawing. We are talking of a different idea entirely different from this thread, but I'm just going with the flow here.

If one does not believe in what Lok Ta is saying, then it is within their own right. The very same tone and speech Lok Ta uses that you criticize are liken to music to me. You can say my music stinks, but can u stop me from listening to that music? Likewise, people are free to advertise. Perhaps, the materials are not ready for them to receive it, and as such they don't buy it. When a person who is more prepared in class by reading texts in advance, that person will surely know what the teacher is saying in class. With this, I cannot go into further explanation other than the explanation that we all see things differently base on how prepared we are with things, our experiences.

I can understand that you strongly disagree with the idea of Buddhism "merging" with Hinduism for you perceive they are of different ideas. It is not a merging, per se. It is a fact that as Hinduism revere Gods like Vishnu, Siva, Brahma, believing in Karma with the help of devine benevolence, so does Buddhism. Buddhism make prayers to divine Gods as well like Preah Sivek (Siva), Preah Prum (Brahma), preah Visnu. Buddhism believes in Karma. Yet, it is perceive as different for in Buddhism, one believes in Karma depending more on the ability of the self, the attainment of peace through one's sheer efforts. That is true as it is true that one sometimes need the divine help every now and then.

I see unity in religion and not segregation that produce peace. Peace is seen through understanding. In understanding that we all revere the same thing, we do not have the seed of strife to say this is wrong and that is right. Case in point is this thread. It is the fact that one lacks understanding that one chooses to collect evidences left and right to point a fault when in actuality, one is revering the same thing. This is, of course, with the assumption that one is a Buddhist.

I humbly accept your criticism that you think my beleif is rediculous and embarassing. You are very wise in your analysis, I presume.  

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I am well awared that I have not watch the entire happenings from start to finish. As a religious leader when carrying the sacredness of Heavenly duty  of such nature, one cannot simply apologise beforehand  then go about it incautiously.

Accumulating merits don't neccesarily be in form of monetary or frequent visit to the temple. Every day conducts is the key element to test one's true nature in the path to enlightments. Ordinary human being cannot  attain Heavenly status as Buddha but rather Buddhisatvva or Buddhahood if one is enlightened.

Your example does not align in this circumstance. Assuming it is legit- in the process of perfoming a Heavenly ritual; humour of any sort is strictly prohibited; a disciple sitting on a dead tree branch while peforming the ritual is NOT appropriate. Furthermore, suborndinates or disciples are not authorised to perform such Heavenly ceromony.

By investigating it helps to conclude its legitimacy- it is not worth the effort via viewing video clips for the intention self-satisfation but for those who are blinded or believed it is gunuine to evaluate it for themselves.

Peace

Thank you for your comment. Indeed, you are wise.

Peace

parallel world of Mt Keylas  :D  there are monkeys too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?onv=gJ2xEw0oB7Q&feature=PlayList&p=9986D3054B81CD34&i ndex=0&playnext=1

and even dinosour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3eTNjhoVcU&feature=related