I'm not a Buddhist, but I like what Buddha says about attachment and detachment. It's a good idea when debating to detach yourself from your ideas so that you can learn more from differing views, but at the same time, it's not good to just to change your views if that opposing view doesn't do anything to change your own views, ie it's ok to be attached to a view that is 'more' correct. It's just good to see the other side, but sometimes the grass is not greener on the other side. Basically, stand your ground but not be too stubborn, more like finding balance or the middle way (edit: I see why you use the word "nonattachment" now because that is what it is, not attachment and not detachment, a middle ground).

I have a feeling though that most debates end up being about the person rather than the issues because of the attachment of ideas with person(s). Sometimes even debates start intentionally only to talk about a person rather than the issue, but disguised as being about the issues. I don't know about others but I feel like it's a waste of my time when someone ask me to explain my position but not really caring to hear about it? Don't ask if you don't really want to know. I just ignore people who choose to waste my time really... Basically, you also have to discern between those who want to only talk about you to waste your time or those who really care about the issues.

I often make mistakes by not be very reasonable at times. As much as I dislike being attacked and seeing others being attacked, and frequently put myself into say sth, I on the other hand like to thank those who enjoy attacking. Indeed, it gives me a feedbacks that I cannot be too optimistic that my views are solid. It gives me the room to improve as a leaner.

The sarcasm of being passive is that, when I know that I am not wrong, and so many times I see the suttle attacks come up again and again, it tells me that I should shut up and leave (but persistence holds, it teaches me to bend down, and keep cultivating, not to give up so easily, it allows me to reflect my strength and weekness. This is the greatest learning curve in cyberspace for me).

Imagine in real life you are only allowed to repeat a number of mistakes, how great is that if you can utilise online space as another back up? 

One thing I only ask though, Plesae members, regardless of your friends, relatives, or outcasts...hold a faire and reasonable views. Dont judge people so quickly. If we can put personal agendas aside, debate for better resolutions. Respect others like you want to be respected and treated.  Then I see little obstraction of this site future ( I know I should never speak for the owners), by all mean I only want to see unity in khmers.

Thank you Khemara 15 for taking the time to ask me.

That is the trick---to be aware enough to accept things as they are and free self from much suffering due to unnecessary attachment. This is Equanimity and Nonattachment at play. It seems one has to look at multifacets of the same thing for an object/idea does not exist unilaterally to perhaps arrive closer at the truth. It is difficult to look at things as a whole as it is far easier to focus our attention. Hence, we tend to choose a major in college. Although Buddhism, especially the 8-Fold Path, breaks everything into steps, one has to loop them somehow together to perhaps perceive the hidden truth under our nose. That is most difficult.

Perhaps reinforcing your conclusion, I believe that it is more worthwhile to have a plethora of diverse ideas and opinions because that is where the learning is. It is the challenges that teach a person, not the mundaneness of things. I value a person's set of ideas and would not appreciate it if they change their view simply because of what is said online, but if that person comes to his/her own realization personally. A simile is like the grass undulating in the wind. If the wind blows from the East, naturally one bends to the West and so on and so forth. There is no concrete root to a person. I believe a person's foundation may be shaky due to his/her lack of understanding of what it is that he/she believes in. However moving forward, growth cannot occur if one has one set of understanding without considering a different understanding from various sources of stimulation.

Personally, I assert myself in various "debates" (more like argument than debates) to learn about how I think and how others think. The mind is like any other organ of your body, only it is most important. If one does not exercise it, it gets weakened and becomes useless. In accordance of what you said, realization is dependent on many factors and not just the other person's ideas/thoughts carelessly/carefully thrown out in cyberspace at all. All of us are too set on a certain idea since the moment of birth. To change opinion of other is most difficult. To change one's own opinion of things, even greater.

The internet is both a time killer as well as a place of resource for me. I feel my energy is quite dispersed enough as it is. Therefore, I strive to focus on only a few media. I feel people's times are valuable as well and usually give them the benefit of a doubt. I would give them the honor they deserve unless proven otherwise.

You are welcome, SpicyChick. 

Hi n1985,

I wonder whether 12AngryMen is also a Kwitiker and what his/her screen name is.

S/he is a knowledgeable and capable debater, IMO.

On the other hand, KW also needs someone like Antiquated.

In this thread

http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=12&t=53921&o=0

,s/ he has done a half-decent job of defending Hun Sen and the CPP regime and so far, has not resorted to any personal attack. 

KC needs someone as knowledgeable as khemara15 and the rest of KW politics members. Politics is completely dead in KC except a few in chatterbox once in awhile.

Then we'll have the best of both worlds "fun" threads and "serious fun" threads.

Yes, Antiquated is doing an excellent job(not half-decent job) there in pointing out the obviousness of what a county need and priority in moving forward. Is she/he also a retard, in your book?

The keyword here is self examination and self reflection...

Sometimes, self examination and self reflection is so important in one's journey to self discovery and thus self assurance that one is not what one hate. And that somehow we can find our way back to being objective...

Hi agent 0o5,

You are very kind.

Speaking for myself, although, in my near-5 years there, I never had any trouble with kc or any of its moderators but once I made the decision to leave kc as a poster (but remain an intermittent reader) and join KW, there is no going back.

Even if ALL the other KW Politics posters were to leave KW en masse and rejoin kc (which I read is merging with another site) or join another site, I will stay here on my own, even if it means having no one to talk to.

agent0o5 wrote: Politics is completely dead in KC except a few in chatterbox once in awhile.

Yes, it’s so amazing that a thread

http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=12&t=53921&o=0

started by KLB in the Chatterbox blossomed into quite an interesting thread.

I doubt that this will happen again for quite some time.

Even if I was still a kc poster, 12 AngryMen is doing such a good job as a CPP regime critic that I would not have jumped in, anyway.

The last thing I would have wanted is to add to the perception that CPP regime critics are ganging up on the few pro-stability defenders.

That thread is quite an enlightening thread. I absolutely commend both parties as mentioned below. Both parties strive to stick to the topic, but I fear the feelings of Anti-HS have gone so high that some members are resorting to personal attacks. That is not good. Insults notwithstanding, I appreciate the education it offers and can only commend those who are not bent under pressure, but work with the issues, rationally and logically based on the available evidences at their disposal through various media/sources.

Hi reksmay,

IMO, I don’t think this comment made by n1985

Deserved the following comment.

http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=12&t=53921&o=2

IMO, one of the reasons why n1985 did not respond to what is clearly an insult has to do with this comment from 12AngryMen

I am not so sure about who have resorted to personal attacks first, one of the so-called anti-HS or one of the HS defenders/apologists. 

As for anti-HS feelings running high, I sense a growing frustration over the arguments presented by the HS defenders/apologists.

I give 12AngryMen credit not only for his/her knowledge and rhetoric but also for his/her patience. IMO, now that the thread has reached 5 pages, "the twain won't meet" and one or two personal attacks are all that is needed for that thread to degenerate into a personal exchange and for that thread to be locked and a few posters to be warned and possibly banned.

Still, since kc has not had this kind of political debate for quite some time, the thread is certainly interesting. 

Hi K15,

Allow me to correct myself. “I fear the feelings of Anti-HS and HS defenders/apologists have gone so high that some members from both sides are resorting to personal attacks. That is not good.”

Yes, I do agree that the harsh comment made toward N1985 by Samo was not diplomatically done nor is it appropriate as to stir unnecessary feelings of strife for the insult it intended. However, 12AM responded justly to him with respect to that comment.

I acknowledge the growing frustrations from both sides, but to be fair to Antiquated he/she is quite reserved in response in observance of patience similarly. Such patience I attribute to logic and reason based upon whatever resources at his/her exposure, or confined by his/her extent of the world at large and no more. That is as expected of anyone to go about a case with step by step reasoning and logic and deduction. With 12AM, likewise.

To reiterate, I enjoy reading everybody's comments, insults nothwitstanding. It is a lively thread and quite enlightening in various ways. I hope it will continue to go on for however long it must to run out of steam naturally and not through a few wise mouths causing it to be locked. I am marveled at how engaging politics is and have grown to appreciate it more. It is a shame for me that I have mostly ignore it all this time.

Hey K15, I don't usually interfere in an online debate. But the nature of this issue is not just about political realm, it also affects the lives and the livelihood of Cambodians thus it concerns me. People need to critically understand the facts and truth in order to have rational judgement and not become influence by a notion with little thought. I always welcome any proponent of the CPP regime as long as they able to logically lay out their points in a factual manner.

And oh that Samo khmer poser, I publicly humiliated him in 2 occassion and apparently still bitter about it, lol.

Now, I understand. LOL

As if the first insult was not enough,

And not a word from the moderator?

kc has certainly changed.

Maybe, it aspires to be the KW of yesteryear. LOL