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Shades of Grey or Different Cultural Frames?
Posted On 04/14/2008 22:55:34 by Cambodia


In this preparatory blog

http://www.khmerwitica.com/blog/view/id_626/title_my-next-cambodia-column/

I shared the reflections of Soour Gov.

He was the only one in his family to survive the Killing Fields, probably because he was very reluctantly "saved" by his uncle who abused him physically and emotionally for many years.

Yet, Soour Gov eventually reconciled the constant reverence he held for his late father’s unbending qualities with a grudging acceptance of his uncle’s flexibility and ability to survive when he concluded.

I chose my path between the right principles of my own father and the shrewd resilience of my uncle, slowly gaining confidence that I might find a way to provide others with the gifts that both these men had given me.

We may be tempted to look at the two ends of the continuum as “idealism” and “opportunism” respectively.

Yet, if Soour’s father represents this paragon of integrity Soour almost worships, it is likely that it is an ideal that no one could live up to.

How many of us manage to live our lives in such a purist way that we would never exceed the speed limit, accelerate when the light is amber, buy pirate DVDs, “tip” an official in Cambodia to obtain documents, etc?

Realistically and pragmatically, aren’t all of us shades of grey, knowing full well that we could never be as pure as the driven snow?

Soour was eventually able to run away from his uncle’s house to start a new life as a self-supporting young adult because he lives in a country which, like the US, could provide such an opportunity.

What if Soour survived along his uncle’s family but they never left Cambodia and, like so many young men and women in Cambodia , what if Soour never got the chance to become independent mostly because he/she understood that his/her chances of survival as a street child were extremely low?

For every Cambodia-bound Soour who waited patiently for his/her chance to leave the abusive home, there may be another teenage Soour who fell into the wrong company and ran away to jump into the fire of juvenile delinquency, drug addiction, prostitution and ultimately, premature death.

In those increasingly common circumstances, in Cambodian society, the finger is often pointed at the Akatanho (ungrateful) run away and the wrong company (the peer influence) but almost never or at least never mostly at the emotionally (if not physically) abusive parents/guardians or at the country’s leadership for failing to alleviate the poverty that put the run-away in his/her position of servitude, to begin with.

Why not?

Because most Cambodians inside Cambodia and most people from abroad (Cambodians and foreigners) look at many issues through a different cultural frame.

Soour’s story was written with a Western frame of mind, especially since it was not written by Soour himself.

The Cambodian block buster movie of about 5 years ago “Katanho” about a daughter’s devotion to her mother was directed with a glorified Cambodian frame of mind that, like Soour’s father, represents an ideal from a distant Cambodian past. During the 120 minutes of this tear-jerking true story, there is no explicit or implicit word or criticism about Cambodian society or about the causes of poverty that put the heroine and her mother in the situation they are in. Is this because the screenplay writer and director exercised self-censorship? Or were they pandering to an audience that saw “Katanho” as a balance to the standard escapist fare of doomed romantic love, slapstick humor and horror movies? Maybe? Who knows?

In contrast, all of Cambodian-born and French-educated Rithy Panh’s movies and documentaries, many of which have been critically acclaimed abroad, are perceived as “foreign” by Cambodian audiences because they deal with subjects which are touchy and controversial and because the non-glamorous actors/actresses/interviewees speak in non Pirous everyday language.

Cambodian movies and Rithy Panh’s work appeal to different audiences with rather different mindsets and cultural frames.

Hun Sen dismisses criticisms from foreign observers and overseas Khmers in the name of Khmer Khnong Srok. In his mind, overseas Khmers who criticize the Phnom Penh regime are not different from Dr Ghai, i.e. at best, ignorant of the realities of the Cambodian situation or at worst, patronizing and incapable of having any objective opinion of Cambodia. In his interview with rfa, Var Kim Hong uses the same argument when he rejected the “activists”’ opposition to Sok An’s visit to Long Beach and resorts to the usual name-calling and reference to election outcomes as a vindication of their righteousness. Both privately and publicly, the CPP uses the culture frame argument to explain, in particular, the SRP’s limited appeal in the countryside.

Corruption is a dirty word for many visitors who come into contact with Cambodia for the first time but it is accepted as a fact/ part of everyday life for almost all Cambodians.

It is increasingly seen as “tipping”. Sam Rainsy attempts to reconcile the dilemma by distinguishing between corruption for the sake or survival (i.e. petty corruption in order to supplement meager salaries) and corruption due to greed. However, where does one draw the line?

Cambodians’ reluctance to speak up, to even have an opinion and especially to be in a conflict frustrates many people, including Cambodians from abroad, to no end who often thrive on debate and sometimes on the confrontation of ideas.

Who is right? Who is wrong? Right and wrong in whose eyes?

In these examples, are we dealing with different cultural frames, in which case “the twain may never meet” or are we only talking about shades of grey, in which case there could still be room for “rapprochement”?




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From: OldKhmerPeasant
05/23/2008 10:07:34

My beloved friend!


Honestly and freakly speaking, I'm just wanted to improve my writing skill, so most of the time I have intentionally forceed myself to write. Therefore, I am hopeful that you will simply forgive me.


We Khmer are always unconscientiously entering two of moral corruption and decay, with Power and Money as the exclusive objects of principal importance. In this Khmer's world, power and money are not only make one a better human beings,  but they can blissfully also cure the human mediocrity and sin!



From: steungsongkae
05/16/2008 16:21:30

Thanks Lok OKP, you send me twice to dictionary with your words there

I just want to contribute and support...



From: OldKhmerPeasant
05/13/2008 08:54:03

My beloved SteungSongKae!


I am barely in this section, because I am not academically good enough. Ironically, after reading your remarkable statements, I unashamedly can not help myself to jump in the muddy Mekong river.


First of all,  forgive me if I were literally or completely wronged. I think therefore I am believing that you have deliberately attempted to explain the most common philosophy of the uncountable centuries of Khmer traditional problems in here to the genernal readers, including myself.


Honestly and frankly speaking, (without any strong academic background of analytic philosophy) I still undoubtedly assume that your writing is infuriatingly patrician and condescending, but enduringly useful and remarkably insightful. Unfortunately, we, Khmers (educated or uneducated), don't philosophically attempt to see or understand the past of misleading phantoms and shadows of everyday perception in order to fully perceive the true forms of existence, because we are simply and unquestionally believing there is absolutely no right nor wrong answer! 



From: khemara15
04/30/2008 17:32:57

Brother Sati,

Thank you for your time and effort in writing the blog and the accompanying thread.

I am going to print and read what you have written.

I hope you would not mind if I came back with a few questions on things I don't understand.

I also hope that other members will find this topic intriguing and that some will share their thoughts.



From: Sati
04/30/2008 14:47:12


From: Cambodia
04/27/2008 19:40:36

Hello Brother Sati,

Please take your time.

Substance is more important than form.

I look forward to reading your thoughts.




From: Sati
04/27/2008 10:00:59

Hi Brother K15,


Re:  Would you consider sharing some of your thoughts with us, please?


Oh boy, I was a C-student in English throughout high school and college; writing is still a challenge for me.  Please give me a few days to gather some thoughts and study materials to make it a decent blog/thread.


Thank you,


Sati (another Khmer brother)



From: Cambodia
04/25/2008 18:05:15

Dear Brother or Sister Sati,

Sorry for mistaking you for Reaksmay.

You said that you approached Buddhism with a philosophical perspective.

That's exactly the perspective I, for one, would like to learn as well.

Would you consider sharing some of your thoughts with us, please?




From: Cambodia
04/25/2008 18:02:01



Thank you for your interesting comment, Yeni.



From: Sati
04/25/2008 17:09:25

Brother K15,


I am sorry that I could not reply sooner because I did not know what “KC” was.  I now know about KC after reading other thread; yet, KW will be the only Khmer site that I use.  Based on Reksmay’s home page and posts, I agree with you that she does know a lot about Buddhism.  As for me, I only know some Dhamma concepts thus far.  I approach Buddhism with a philosophical perspective and my learning materials/sources are in English.  I cannot learn the Dhamma in Khmer because my Khmer reading and writing skills are very limited.  I hope this answers your question; thank you.



From: yenilianty
04/25/2008 05:40:24

I believe everyone wants to live comfortably, but that is essentially a part of our cultural framework.  In developing nations, survival is key; in a nation like ours, the United States, our collectivist cultural framework is imbued with individual shades of grey.

By writing this I am already biased.  I am speaking from a Western P.O.V. 

Why else would we look for success in a potential mate?  Why are their gold diggers?  Why do some people become doctors and lawyers for others reasons than helping others?  Why do we gamble?  Why do we go to college?  Why do we own businesses?


As we all like to believe ourselves as individualists, much of our decisions in life go along with the survival theme, in essence, a collectivist culture.  However, there are always anomalies. 

Some of our relationships are fragments of those shades of grey that touches on the need to succeed (i.e.  I need to be nice and participate in class so i can get that letter of rec).  Some of these relationships are superficial because people want something.  We all want something.

For those that are rich that are philanthropists started off after greed, a dream of success, to survive, to show off are:  Baron Hilton, Donald Trump, William O'Neil, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey, and etc. 

The individuals with the strong moral convictions..hmm.  Some did not even develop their moral conviction until latein life (when Death is waiting at the door). 

Anyhow, this is an argument that can go on forever because there is no right or wrong answer.  As different as our opinions may be, they are quite similar as well this proves the collectivist cultural reasoning. 

By me responding here, it means I want something:  to build a rapport with individuals here so I can have friends.



From: KSaron
04/23/2008 00:35:07

no human being is as pure as the driven snow and yes we are all shade of grey but certain greys must be  pure and must not be mixed with any there color.  I will attempt to write the important of being pure and in hope to explain why. 


Thanks Khemara15 for your article.



From: Cambodia
04/20/2008 22:29:56

Brother or Sister Sati,

Thank you for your encouraging words and for sharing the excerpt from "Runway Train".

If you are Reaksmay from kc, you know a lot about Buddhism.

I have learned a lot from your posts and from your Home Page here.





From: Sati
04/20/2008 13:03:08

After reading this column, I have lately been listening to Soul Asylum’s “Runaway Train”.  Below excerpt means quite a bit to me:


 


I can go where no one else can go
I know what no one else knows
Here I am just drowning in the rain
With a ticket for a runaway train

Everything seems cut and dry
Day and night, earth and sky
Somehow I just don't believe it


Runaway train never going back
Wrong way on a one way track
Seems like I should be getting somewhere
Somehow I'm neither here nor there


 


Brother Khemera15, thank you very much for taking the times to write this column and other ones, and I hope that you will not be discouraged to continue sharing your thoughts/opinions via columns, threads, or posts.


 


I do not have any meaningful comment to the questions that you have raised, other than I always look within and act accordingly to the principles that I hold as best as possible.



From: Cambodia
04/19/2008 17:15:37

Thank you very much, everyone, for your comments.

I can see where you are coming from.

And thank you for taking the time to read this column and the first few comments that were posted prior to yours.




From: steungsongkae
04/19/2008 06:39:27



There goes my big mouth again:



First of all let’s ask what make us think the way we think, or what make us
behave the way we behave? Who set that socially acceptable standard/moral/value/principle
of what is right and what is wrong? Are these applied and accepted universally?



 Since we are, after all human being, and
thus the basic principle of living is the same---and that basic principle of
living is to live, and to survive at all cost, we would assume that yes
absolutely, and also that survival instinct is so strong that we would become
selfish, self centered that we are oblivious to, or desensitized by the surrounding
suffering by our fellow human being. This is the mentality with which we were
born. We started to demand, and command attention to cater to our need, right
from the moment we were born.



However true or unfortunate it may be, as we grow up, we won’t see any much
different either. It is all about surviving at all cost, demanding and commanding
attention. Either trying to get the best girl or guy as soul mate, or keep our
head above the water or keep up with the Saroeun next door, or sending our
children to the best University in the country, or showing off our brand new
Lexus Rx350… All that required a lot of thinking, planning, and executing the
thought and plan.



As we are contemplating on plan or mean to achieve all that, do we look for
way in which we were brought up or from which we have influenced culturally or
socially? Is our urge for survival is so strong that we have been clouded
morally, impaired judgmentally, and thus dead consciously?



As an individualist, I would like to think individually. And that mean, one
can not use culture/religion/custom/tradition as defending mechanism or free
ticket out of jail for our rouge behavior. It is an act of irresponsible, just
to think as such, never mind to accept one. It is an ultimate betrayal to
perhaps think it is ok to be corruptive/selfish/insensitive/uncompassionate,
and rude  in Khmer culture or any others
for that matter.



If we were to be allowed to use such an argument to defend or to justify our
bad behavior, then we would have to put our culture/religion/tradition and
custom on trial and persecuted to the fullest extends of our imagination,
rather than the individual responsible for his/her own bad behavior. Rather
than individual responsible, it is collective responsible, and therefore, rather
than individual punishment, it is collective punishment.



 



From: ladyM
04/17/2008 00:05:20

Hi K15,


My answer is 'Yes' to the statement that "Realistically and pragmatically, aren’t all of us shades of grey, knowing full well that we could never be as pure as the driven snow?"


Therefore, I reserve my judgement and would base each action within the context of each situation.


In general term, I agree that "cultural frame" comes into play -- society and environments which one grew up in; family dynamics is also important.  How susceptible we are to changing how we think would be a function of how old we are.


I don't think money bind people together across culture, but money and power are usually the two sources that lure many away from the idealism -- the temptation is more appealing and often pursued by those in a poor or developing country. 


-M-



From: soch
04/16/2008 23:11:19

i'm not sure about the different cultural frame.  people generally do what is easiest for them, and for some, that means going along with the flow of the "majority".  but i don't really know. 

trying to understand the roots of people's morality and actions is going to be a long long road to hoe...it's worthwhile if you think you can ever touch the people on the other side of the divide, but this is assuming such people can be "touched"



From: Cambodia
04/15/2008 20:16:26


Thank you for your comments and your advice on double-spacing, Gnome.

I think you are right about collectivist cultural frames vs. individual shades of grey.

I have a few questions, though and would welcome your and other people’s comments.

The questions may appear rhetorical but I am kind of bouncing these ideas off all of you.

Does that mean that to try and convince people whom Soth Palin called “Thleum Doh Mamihhttp://www.khmerwitica.com/forum/posts/id_2029//page_3/ to be less selfish
is a lost cause since their cultural frame is ingrained in their psyche and will govern their thoughts, attitudes and behavior for the rest of their lives?

Also, the cam-cc leaders who invited Sok An and the “activists” who opposed his visit could be assumed to share the same cultural frame of valuing, albeit in varying degrees, all the things you mentioned, viz. justice, equality, civil rights, art, standing up for the weak.

Yet, the cam-cc leaders saw and see nothing wrong in inviting the no. 2 of and in increasingly engaging with the Phnom Penh regime that is the antithesis of all these values.

Does that mean that, regardless of shared cultural frame, on the “idealism vs Opportunism” continuun, people could still be very, very different shades of grey because the extent to which people embrace fundamental values can be superseded by the emphasis they place on other things, e.g. money?

If that’s the case, does that mean that these people would have greater affinity with people with a similar attitude toward money even though these have a different cultural frame?

In other words, regardless of educational, cultural and other (e.g. racial) kinds of background, is love of money one of the things that could bind people together?

Does this suggest that love of money and idealism are more or less mutually exclusive?

Is that’s true, how do we account for the fact that there are extremely rich people who do love money and who are also generous philanthropists but who are also imbued with strong moral values?



From: gnome
04/15/2008 12:20:10

fyi, you have to double space between paragraphs



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