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Getting Rich First?
Posted On 01/16/2008 18:19:46 by Cambodia

In my first few columns, I deplored the fact that, in Cambodia, many people are driven by greed and that people have become more and more money-minded. This seems to have accelerated in the last few years as land speculation was becoming widespread.

I never asked question (1) : is this necessarily a bad thing?

I also deplored the fact that most people are Buddhists in name only. Likewise, I never asked question (2) : what is the big deal about Buddhism, anyway?

I recently read Duncan Hewitt’s book "Getting rich first: life in a changing China" and noted the similarities between what has happened in China since Deng Xiaoping’s first said that “it’s glorious to be rich” in 1978 and what has happened in Cambodia since 1993. In both countries, “ while some (Duncan Hewitt wrote ‘many’ in the case of China) have benefited under the new aspiration nation, many (my choice of words) others are struggling to keep up with what is now one of the most divided societies on earth”.

Notwithstanding the increasing inequality between the haves and the have-nots, Deng Xiaoping’s additional rationalization that the country would have to “let some of the people get rich first” could also be used to foster the hope that, in Cambodia, once rich, many Cambodians would turn to philanthropy and religion, i.e. real faith-based religion.

We observed this phenomenon in many nouveau-rich societies, e.g. in Singapore where many middle-class young professionals combine material and professional success with strong and genuine Christian beliefs. Likewise, in Cambodia, many nouveau rich people also donate generously to Buddhist temples during Kathin festivals.

Some people may argue that Buddhism is really only a philosophy of life and, unlike Christianity, is not a faith-based religion. Therefore, a change in attitude toward the world and life would only be possible if people were to see the Light and convert to Christianity. This is what happened to Kang Khek Ieu (alias Deuch), the head of S-21 or Tuol Sleng.

More and more Cambodians are converting to Christianity and, while some are doing it for partly or mostly mercenary reasons, some are doing it because they have truly embraced Christian faith and values. Unlike Buddhism which, inherently, preaches renunciation, Protestantism, in particular, makes the practice of one’s faith and wealth accumulation compatible and possibly synergistic.

Given the two columns immediately preceding this one, is it any wonder that some Cambodians have become skeptical with such pessimistic concepts as karma and converted to a more optimistic religion, e.g. Christianity?

Potentially life-changing projects like the CIST
http://www.myp1t.com/forum/posts/id_1033/
are a drop in the ocean, compared with the evangelical potential of well-heeled missionaries from many Western and Asian (e.g. South-Korean) churches.

Instead of passing implicit value judgments in my first few columns, should I have been asking questions (1) and (2) instead?

This column has taken some time to write, not only because of the festive season and my workload but also because I have been unable to come up with non-clichéd ideas on how the Cambodians’ current obsession with money could be curbed or possibly reversed.

This is the reason why I am posing two soul-searching and controversial questions (1) and (2). I look forward to reading your comments. Thank you.


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From: Cambodia
07/04/2008 23:26:21

Thank you for your explanations, Tina.



From: Tina
06/28/2008 21:52:29

I enjoyed your blog because, correct me if I'm wrong, I get the sense that you genuinely want to understand.  Usually I roll my eyes over at blogs/forums that just bash on Buddhism without trying to understand it, but I didn't get that sense with your blog. First of all, is it necessarily a bad thing? I smile to myself everytime a Christian, Atheist, or otherwise non-Buddhist seem to think that the only "Buddhist way" is to renounce wealth. No, wealth is not a bad thing in Buddhism. Many good Buddhist deeds are done in the form of money-giving. And isn't giving and charity a good thing in Buddhism? It is the addiction or attachment to it that is bad. You don't achieve enlightenment from simply living in the wilderness. It is the understanding of life, suffering, and charity that is important.


The legendary Guanyin is a female Chinese bodhisatva (Budhist prophet) who never necessarily turned away from wealth, but used to it help ease the suffering of people. Though she wanted to become a Buddhist equivalent to a nun, she was never allowed that fate as a human, and yet she reached enlightenment due to her past good karmic deeds and vast understanding of suffering. (check out the legend of Miao Shin--there are slightly different variations, but all follow the same general plotline)


To your second question: what is the big deal about Buddhism anyway? Buddhism is a big deal because well...we're Cambodian. Buddhism is engrained in every part of our culture. Some argue that we were once Hindus/Brahmins, so what's the difference? Yes, that is true we once practiced Brahminism. But the legends, the deities, the myths and the IDENTITY never changed. Though we go to Buddhist temples now, our classical dancers still pray to Vishnu during Sompeah Kru ceremonies. Our bokator/ pradal serey fighters still pray to Brahma right before a match. Though we changed our philosophy, we remained Cambodian throughout. Can you get married in a Cambodian wedding without coming across  Buddhist/Hindu-derived beliefs? The real Cambodian New Year is based on three holy Buddhist days: Moha Songkran, Wanabat, and Tgnai Leang Saka. LOL It definitely didn't derive from our ancestors deciding to want to eat bok lahong for three days straight and thats how Khmer New Years came about...lol! Though, hey, that's how a lot of Cambodian Americans celebrate it now.


I hope I have provided insight on your soul-searching questions. I don't mean to come on here to change your mind...only to give you another's perspective. Good luck!



From: Cambodia
04/19/2008 17:11:58

Thank you,
yenilianty, for your interesting and detailed comments.

Once you have the chance to read other columns, please do leave more comments.

I look forward to reading them.




From: yenilianty
04/16/2008 18:32:29

Interesting, it has been something on my mind that I haven't articulated yet (so KUDOS to you =D)  For most of the Khmers post the Khmer Rouge coming into the United States were sponsored by missionaries.  I suppose the conversion was a thank you of some sort.  Christianity does have a more optimistic view and maybe that also influenced them.  Also the missionaries provided food, clothing, shelter and kindness.  The thing is, it would be difficult to pinpoint the reason for the change, ultimately, it is a personal decision.

I actually studied Buddhism as a part of my Art History curriculum and I admire it greatly.  My professor actually spent time with Shaolin Monks.

Buddhism is not exactly negative, and much of our cultures' beliefs stem from Buddhism and Hinduism. I suppose the big deal about Buddhism is purely cultural and personal.  IF we do not embrace our Buddhist/Hinduism background we would not  truly understand the importance of circumabulating, the journey around the Angkor Wat (the stories it tells), and around important Stupas in India, or even truly understanding why we see nagas near entrances.  I think this could be a different topic in itself (for example, why do circle around at the cemetary three times--buddhism).  Everything we practice has been practiced and passed down to us and a lot of us do not understand it fully...  With the Khmers here, we are surrounded by a plethora of religions and we can pick and choose whichever we want, however, we all know that there are very little Buddhist shrines, unless you are in an area populized by Asians in general.

The thing about greed is that it is purely a personal deicision that is influenced by various factors..  It is not exactly our religion that shapes us, but our culture and surroundings.  We live in a culture where image is everything, that it is necessary to have those gucci bags, mercedez and what not, therefore, we want to be a part of that (I'm not pinpointing everyone, I am pointing a majority of us). 

Ultimately, the decision of religion and even greed is a personal one that is influenced by everything else.  I admit that it hurts to see people claim they are Buddhist or even Christians by name only that are everything but what they claim--that's human nature, a personal decision--so we cannot denounce Religion as a whole, or a reason for a downfall, what we should blame our ourselves and our influences.

Anyway, I don't think i made any sense, but I definitely love topics like these!!  Keep them coming (actually, I'm going to read other ones now).




From: blackcoffee
01/27/2008 22:33:43

KSaron,


Well done, if you're actually doing something for Cambodia. I urge everyone to do the same, to make REAL contribution to Cambodia and not just verbal ones.



From: KSaron
01/27/2008 21:11:45

blackcoffee, how do you know that I haven't?


How do you know that we haven't?



From: blackcoffee
01/27/2008 20:43:04

ladyM and KSaron,


You are right.


The more frustrated I get the bigger my mouth becomes.


I am no better than anyone.


But I do want to see our overseas patriots to be less condemning and more active in their contribution to Cambodia's reconstruction.


You don't really need to come over, just sponsor some poor kid's education which might set you back less than $1 a week!


Come on, KSaron, I know you can do this!



From: ladyM
01/26/2008 23:17:25

Thank you blackcoffee.  I truly understand your frustration…I can only imagine how suffocating it can be for you at times, working within the current environment in Cambodia.


Per KSaron’s suggestion, why don’t you create blogs or a discussion thread on some of the things that you see and learned and what people abroad can do to help.   Let’s use this platform to reach out and figure out what it is we should be doing.


I can see that urging educated individuals to go back to Cambodia would be on the top of your list; we can start with that…maybe list applicable job openings?  Listing NGOs that are making the biggest, most positive, impact?


Furthermore, how about urging others (returnee like yourself) to join in the discussions on p1t…to challenge any misinformation with facts…


There are so many constructive things that we can be doing…


Just my two cents.


-M-



From: KSaron
01/26/2008 21:48:03

Blackcoffee,


I got a friend who is very book smart and have lots great ideas (so he think) but when in debates he never give out those great ideas of his but refute against mine.



From: KSaron
01/26/2008 21:29:39

blackcoffee, the more you talk the more of your color is showing.  Just because you speak better khmer language does not make you a better person or make any of us any less qualified then you.  I've heard Hun Sen speak with the same language and tone as you and I got a secret to tell you.  I don't like Hun Sen. 


It is a wonderful thing that you are walking but don't let your mouth be bigger then it.  Yes, there are roses in Cambodia and like I said, a Chinese guy wrote 10 things Cambodia is doing well on.  I'm sure there are more stuffs but don't think that just because you read and write Khmer that you are better. 


Again, you don't know any of us personally so you know very little if nothing at all of what we know and do. 


Since you are in the frontline, why don't you blog what you see and share with us some of the celebrative struggles.  Give us your view from your eyes and ears. 



From: blackcoffee
01/26/2008 20:04:00

Hi ladyM,


You're truly a very nice person. I have tried to stay calm in my comments, but I lead a very stressful life over here. Sometimes things are just too distressful, and too much for a simple guy like me. I'm just overwelmed sometimes with the work, the daily corruption, abuse of power on every level of society here that sometimes I can't heck it. But what upsets me more is that our young overseas Cambodian especially in America show a lack of patience and too much condemnation without offering any real, substantive solutions. They come here to Cambodia as tourists and return to America as gung-ho columnists. The things they write are not truly reflective of the real Cambodia, only too dark. I want to see this site to be less radical or condemning, and be more celebrative of the struggles of Cambodia and her people. Perhaps what upsets me the most is our young overseas people's patriotic cry for justice, democracy etc. when they can't even speak the Khmer language or put in the effort to learn to write or read it!


On Soch,


Soch has the intellect, but not the wisdom, yet.


Sorry for the screaming matches.


K15, man, you need to learn Khmer.



From: ladyM
01/26/2008 16:29:47

Hello All!


Blackcoffee, it is an honor to know someone from the front-line.  Your inside perspective is invaluable to all of us abroad.  I commend you for returning to Cambodia to help the Cambodian people…Cambodia needs more people like you; who are willing to ‘walk the talk’.


Having said that, please take it easy on most of us abroad who are not able to join you at this time.


I don’t know what soch’s reasons are; but each of us has our own reasons…not being in the front-line does not mean that we do not care or are not patriotic; it may just mean that it is not yet our time, or that we have a different vision on how we can best contribute.


These types of ‘screaming’ matches do not benefit anyone.


“Can we just get along?”...


ALL, I happen to think that p1t has the most intelligent members…this may mean that our ideas may also differ greatly…however, because we are intelligent, we can stay above personal attacks and still get our messages across.


K15, I look forward to your next column.


-M-



From: blackcoffee
01/24/2008 19:33:31

What is life in America for true Cambodian patriots?


A comfortable and fulfilling life, perhaps. BUT it's probably better here in Cambodia, where you can make a living and probably make a little difference. Now, that's a meaningful life.


Soch could achieve a lot here, but she has to tread carefully, working with everyone and not attempt any radical moves. This is not the Khmer Rouge regime. Of course it's corrupt, etc., but we can work with it and bring changes for the better.


Soch, please talk to Navy, she understands Cambodia better than you. She's honest and pragmatic about it.



From: KSaron
01/24/2008 18:16:47
blackcoffee, your way of getting her to work with you in Cambodia is not working.


From: blackcoffee
01/24/2008 18:15:03

People,


Please accept it, it's not the thought that counts, it's your action. Do something on the ground for Cambodia, or quit your "meritorious" so-called debates and columns!


Yoohoo! Does anyone understand? And please don't ban me on this site.


Sok An the major attraction of your lovely Long Beach parade? You've got to be kidding, Soch!



From: blackcoffee
01/24/2008 18:05:32

Everyone,


My point was, most of you were so condemning of everyone and everything in Cambodia. Please, despite the very bad things happening over here there are wonderful things, too. Why don't you focus 50% of your column or editorial on that?


Gnome,


EXPOSED? What's wrong with buying and selling land? Don't you have a car or house, if so, did you buy them or steal them?


Steungsongkae,


Please don't compare me with Hun Sen. I was asking Soch to actualise her love for Cambodia by putting it in to action and not just talking about it all her life! I was not asking anyone to get shot, man. Please think before you label people.


You know, I notice one thing about Long Beach Khmers, they're always screaming bad things about Cambodia, but they just don't come here and do anything. Now Sok An is there messing up their wonderful parade hahaha. Is that not painful? I'm watching you Long Beach people to see what fools you all are about this parade.


KSaron,


I've never attempted to derail any diologue. Soch was the one who derailed our friendship accusing me of a million things here in Cambodia without having spent one day with me to get to know me and the things that I do. I was just giving her a bit of her own medicine back!


Soch,


Deflectors?


You can't even stop Sok An from your Long Beach parade. What good are you? You can't even affect such a small thing on your own turf, why try to help us, Cambodia and the Cambodian people, who are facing incredible difficult times!


 



From: soch
01/24/2008 16:36:16

steungsongkae + gnome, etc

thanks for the defense.  i should rather quit since it's obviously going nowhere.  points to you blackcoffee, for every question you can't answer, you've come up w/ 10 deflectors. 

i'm neither judge nor lawyer nor auditor nor communist nor angrier than warranted, though i fail to see the relevance of the questions.   to answer, i have done as much as i could, given the circumstance.  i'm not rich and were i to total up what i've given, it would be more than what i have kept, and no, that number is not for public consumption. 

but even if i had done absolutely nothing, it still would be a notch above having contribute to harm.

have a good day, please understand if this is my last response.  i'm not offended, but i'm skeptical of the merits of debates w/ you.



From: gnome
01/24/2008 14:13:03

blackcoffee,

you're exposed. do yourself a favor, use that 50k and buy yourself some ice water to cool yourself.

 



From: steungsongkae
01/24/2008 14:11:38

Blackcoffee,

While I admire your contribution and sacrifice, I don't think you should put people on the spot for their comment,and opinion. You sound like Hun Sen who challenge this reporter to go to Anlong Veng and asked KR himself, and maybe he would get bullet in the head, instead.

Soch is not mother Tressa. Even if she is, it would be her choice, not by under the gun or pressure to do something to match yours, or your friend from Australia. People have their way of contributing, and there are many ways. What a person to help so much, but is poor, and constricted by circumstances, whatever that maybe, and all he/she got is the tear, and heartfelt sorrow, would that be enough? Or would you still ask him or her to go down to prove his her points?

 

 



From: KSaron
01/24/2008 10:39:25
blackcoffee, your attempt to derail this dialogue is working very well. 


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