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Am I too judgmental?
Posted On 12/10/2007 22:28:39 by Cambodia

In response to my "column"

http://www.myp1t.com/blog/view/id_230

Ah Mom wrote

My point is regardless of what race or country we are in, money plays an important role in people's lives and work. And we all know why...since we no longer forage for food. You write as
if all the Khmers who have more money than they used to are going down hill in terms of their morale....and there is no hope for them. How about include some positive aspects how these new monies have positively impacted their lives, their children's lives, etc? Don't "one bad
apple spoils the whole bunch" our people.


Is it possible that I am too judgmental and overgeneralizing? Maybe but I don't think so.

Am I advocating a new Cambodia Year Zero in order to wipe the slate clean once again? No, absolutely not.

When I was growing up in pre-1975 Cambodia, the perception (and the common reality) was that Sino-Khmers and the Chinese in Cambodia did business while the pure Khmers (i.e. mostly in the countryside) grew rice.

Things changed somewhat post-1979 in that people from the countryside who came to live in cities also started to do business. Nowadays, we seem to revert back to the stereotype of the 1970s. Like Bangkok, Phnom Penh is inhabited by mostly Sino-Khmers and one only needs to be in Phnom Penh during the Chinese New Year to realize it.

This means therefore that what Lee Kuan Yew wrote about Cambodia in the 1960s still applies to today's pure Khmers.

I think you must have something in you to be a "have" nation. You must want. That is the crucial thing. Before you have, you must want to have. And to want to have means to be able first, to perceive what it is you want; secondly, to discipline and organise yourself in order to possess the things you want-the industrial sinews of our modern economic base; and thirdly, the grit and stamina, which means cultural mutations in the way of life in large parts of the tropical areas of the world where the human being has never found it necessary to work in the summer before the autumn, and save it up for the winter.

http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=1&t=2092&o=1

If that is valid, then isn't it a good thing that Khmers in the countryside who have sold and are selling their rice fields are joining the ranks of their Sino-Khmer compatriots in "wanting". I mean, look at Singapore. Singaporeans are known to be among the most materialistic, money-minded people in the world and look at how it went from Third World to First World country in basically two decades.

Therefore, who am I to judge the few "rotten apples", as Ah Mom put it?

Personally, I feel uncomfortable living in a materialistic, money-minded society like Singapore but I would not impose my values on anyone if Cambodia could prosper by "wanting".


There is nothing wrong per se in selling land, provided one uses most of the proceeds to start a business and not indulge in conspicuous consumption.

The problem in Cambodia at the moment is that most rice farmers do not start a business. They spend most of the money on material things and, sooner and later, the money runs out and they fall on hard times.

Will Cambodia implode any time soon? I don't think so.

In spite of the explosive population growth, the increasingly disgruntled wave of high school and college grads who cannot get jobs, Cambodians are not likely to rebel any time soon.

Inflation is running at a much higher rate than the official single-digit rates. People complain and grumble but they will tighten their belts and do whatever is necessary is survive.

You would be amazed as to how little money is needed to feed a family in the countryside. Ultimately, they will try and make do with rice and salt.

Until that happens, many families will pull their daughters out of school and send them to work in garment factories. An increasing number sleep with their supervisors or others to supplement their meagre incomes or to acquire the trappings of materialism, after being blinded by the "bright lights" of the city and the TV commercials.

Some others , if not many of the reasonable-looking ones, will end up as full-time or part-time prostitutes.

What.s wrong with all that, you may ask? There is nothing wrong with a consumption-driven society, from an economic point of view.

My only question is: why still call ourselves a Buddhist society when many of us only mouth the chantings during Bonn but do not uphold Buddhist values?














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From: blackcoffee
01/27/2008 23:00:11

I can't believe P1T has given responsibility of this column to someone so judgemental, overgenralising, and dumb like this "Cambodia" columnist.


 



From: blackcoffee
01/27/2008 22:52:00

Yes, you are, judgemental, overgeneralising, and stupid.


Why don't you write about the state of morality, and other craps in your own family before making judgement on Cambodia and the Cambodian people?



From: Cambodia
12/12/2007 21:40:10

Hello AhMom,

Since your reply seems to be more of a response to my last column "From the very top down", I am taking the liberty to copy and paste it as a comment  on that column as well.

I hope you don't mind.  



From: gnome
12/12/2007 21:17:00

ahmom, thank you for sharing a positive note on cambodia in which i agree with andy that khmer people are friendly.

if you want to compare cambodia to year zero, of course it is a lot better off now. the main question is could it be better than what it is now? yes by a big margin. for over a decade with billions of dollars in international aid, cambodia still can't improve it's infrastructure, roads, bridges, railways, and ports, it's mind boggling how that hasnt happened with all the fund and time given.

but the question isn't whether cambodia is better off now, it's whether cambodia has changed for the better? in gnome's opinion, in terms of sovereignty not at all. you can't even be the master of your own house, how has it changed for the better? gnome is baffled by this.

andy is only speaking of the nature of khmer people in which khmer people are good people. yes, tourism has increased, but how is that better for the people if the money doesn't go to the country and poor people? i failed to see how cambodia has changed for the better when it's own government is not even it's own government..



From: ahmom
12/12/2007 20:39:55
OK so we have a bunch of nutcases and their buddies running the country by exhausting the country’s natural resources and enjoying power and wealth from the blood and sweat of the poor. A truly democratic and capable leadership is very much needed if big changes were going to happen. The question remains: Has Cambodia changed for the better since sakmai ah pot? It certainly has in my view. Growing up in the early 1980’s like many of my friends, I walked barefooted to school six days a week. Without shoes we really didn’t like walking on the new blacktop roads because under the hot sun they could easily burn our little feet. Having traveled to many provinces for a period of about 5 years in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s I witnessed that fewer kids are walking to school barefoot. For me I look for little things like that and I see better days ahead. I believe I will have abundant opportunities to write about more little positive things about Srok Khmer as to balance things out.

What do all action movies have in common? Well, the good guys win. I know some of guys are going to tell me to keep daydreaming if you know what I mean…. Now allow me to share a positive perspective from an English man. Andy (http://www.andybrouwer.co.uk/) once wrote a letter to me, he called it: Good news from Cambodia. He didn’t ignore the problems our people face nor the reality of their lives but he has a lot of good things to say about better days ahead. He was very impressed by what he saw as the cheerful and warm nature of most Khmers and was confident that things will keep getting better for such good-hearted people.

Andy wrote:

Hello Ah Mom,

I hope there's a lot of material on my website about the positive things I've enjoyed when visiting Cambodia, whether it be the people I've met in all four corners of the country or the hope for a better life that many of them have shared with me. The welcome I've received and the invites to share their food and their homes has always been a very positive feature of my visits to your country.

For a country which has endured so much pain and suffering for the last 30 years, much of it at the hands of invading countries or from monsters within their own people, cambodia is looking forward to the 21st century with renewed optimism based largely on two things that have been sadly missing for many years, peace and tourism.

The end of the civil war with the Khmer rouge means that Cambodia is at peace with itself for the first time in over a quarter of a century. There are still many problems to erase such as a degree of lawlessness on odd occasions (like the burning of the Thai embassy recently) and the almost automatic reaction of a few to turn to violence as a way to solve their problems and fears. However, against that, the rise of human rights organisations and the resurgence of the Buddhist faith with a massive building project of new buddhist pagodas, the work of local NGOs in dealing with HIV, orphans, abused wives, the disabled alongside the international NGOs dealing with similar concerns as well as landmine clearance amongst a myriad of other issues. The Cambodian government has been largely stable since the coup of 1997 and though Hun Sen and his government are not universally liked for various reasons (Hun Sen was a Khmer Rouge cadre when younger) they have at least kept Cambodia on an even keel and for some, brought a degree of prosperity (mostly those in the cities). However, don't think that the average Cambodian who lives in the countryside is much better off. Whilst health care and schooling for some will have improved, many still exist below the poverty line and not much has changed for them for many years as they eke out a living from the land. But at least they have confidence brought about by peace and a positive outlook and a hope that their life will change for the better. I think that believing and hoping things will get better has improved their lives, if not in reality then mentally.

My many excursions into the Cambodian countryside have been rewarded with such a degree of warmth that its clear that the normal spirit of Cambodians is to be welcoming and friendly. That is their tendency. Its not to embrace war and violence at all. Most have some Buddhist teachings to fall back on and this turns them from violence. Instead they have welcomed me with open arms into their communities, their homes and to share their food and their water on numerous occasions, and have not required anything in return. This makes me so humble that a people with so little are prepared to share so much - this is not how the western world would react in similar circumstances. They have suffered at the hands of foreigners in the past, whether that's the French or Americans or other countries, but that is all forgotten in the welcoming smile and open arms that one experiences.

Many villages I have arrived at have not seen a westerner before, certainly not one that has come purely to meet them. The welcome from the children of these villages is one of the many highlights of my visits to Cambodia. They are incredibly friendly and playful and want nothing more than to laugh and smile, to play games, to make silly faces and to enjoy the company of someone who looks and sounds very different from themselves. Whilst I cannot speak much Cambodian I can play games, either football, tot sey, volleyball, sandal-throwing or lot antak, and this helps immediately to break down any barriers with children and adults alike. I have also visited orphanages where the love that these children are willing to give is overwhelming and heartrending. Cambodia is at peace and long may it continue. The people are not in fear for their lives anymore though life is not much easier than it has been since time began.

Tourism is another positive, good news item that is affecting Cambodia in a big way. The number of tourists visiting Cambodia has shot through the roof in the last 5 years. The peace and open borders policy has enabled many tourists to come to Cambodia cheaply and with such an incredible ancient culture to show off, Cambodia is embracing tourism in full. Those that are involved in it are increasing their wealth substantially. There is a knock-on to others along the chain, though I would still like to see the whole country benefiting and not just a select few. The temples of Angkor Wat are magnificent. The ancient Khmer culture is fascinating to westerners and fellow Asians. And Cambodia is now taking advantage after many years when these temples and this culture were hidden from foreign eyes by civil war. Much of the country's tourism is aimed at the triangle of Angkor, Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville, but I have found many other places in Cambodia that in a few years will also benefit from the arrival of tourists. And this spread of wealth will be vital to ensure that the remainder of Cambodia does not fall too far behind those areas currently basking in the tourism boom. Already travelers are breaking out from the triangle to discover these new places but the numbers are still very small.

Whether a tourist buys a souvenir or a drink or a coconut, then every little helps. I make sure that on my trips I stop often and buy something from a road stall here or a market stall there. The interaction with the people is part of the pleasure of travelling through this marvelous country and I encourage others who visit Cambodia to take the opportunity to get off the beaten track and see the real Cambodia for yourself, away from the tourist hordes and souvenir stalls.

I see much hope for the people of Cambodia. All their ills of the last 30 years will not disappear overnight. There is still much to do to bring the country into the 21st century but a start has been made and that's what's so important. Governments will come and go but the positiveness of the people, the inherent warmth and gentleness I have found will win in the end and whilst not everyone will experience change for the better, its what's in their hearts that really matters, and I believe that the Cambodian heart is a good one.

Best wishes,
Andy

 
 



From: Cambodia
12/12/2007 17:56:15

Hi Gnome, thanks for your comments. I agree with you.

In response to AhMom, you mentioned that my future columns may not be so "sweet". I was shocked. LOL

You should find my last column

 

http://www.myp1t.com/blog/view/id_252

equally "sweet".

I think Ah Mom and I will continue to agree to disagree but that's Ok. That's why we have forums and debates.

Ah Mom, if you have a more optimistic view of Cambodia and Khmer people, please share it with us. Thank you. 

 

 

 

 



From: impact
12/12/2007 14:51:40
Well, very interesting you have wrote here,but just to let you know. the only problem cambodia have are,the governments. They the only one could make the country go forward period.


From: gnome
12/12/2007 14:26:44

gnome is going to ignore the social and economic aspect of this. however, as a sovereign nation, absolutely, cambodia has changed for the worse, no question about it. to be fair, let's not compare to the time of kr regime because anything is better than that, i'm sure we all can agree on that. 

when you have no immigration policy, you as a country let yourself be diluted with a large amount of other people that does not have the best interest in the country as you. and when it gets to the point of having millions of outsiders (vietnamese) residing permanently in your country over the period of time, they will eventually become a member of society in high civil position, but without the same interest as the khmer. when it's time for elections, you cannot tell if voters are real voters. there has been an influx of immigration from vietnam to cambodia for over a decade now and it's not going to stop.

immigration can only be good if you are a country like the US that is in shortage of labor. but cambodia is no where in shortage of laborer in fact, it has too many people with the opposite problem, no employment.

as a sovereign nation, cambodia has changed for the worse, not only by dilution, but also by political infiltration by it's neighbors. sok kong, who proclaims to be vietnamese in public, somehow managed to convince his government (he's also part of cpp) to lease angkor wat, for himself for 99 years, a national treasure being outrightly and shamelessly "sold." all the proceeds goes to private company. he also owns almost every properties in cambodia, and is plaining to lease orchital beach in sinoukville.

hunsen's family own all major utility companies in cambodia exclusively with no competition, and who knows what else.

as a sovereign nation, you get to have your own military right? no, this is not the case w/ cambodia. a couple times a year, a vietnamese agent travels to cambodia and inspect cambodia's army and military which raises speculations.

the conclusion most people tend to make from this is "well atleast cambodia is better off than before", well, that is true, but in what aspect? cambodia is less sovereign than what it was fifty or a hundred years ago, is that more or less important than having lots of hotels in your country? you decide.

in terms of society as a whole, has cambodia gotten better? no, it has not, corruption is still prevalent and people are still very petty.

 

 

 

 



From: ahmom
12/12/2007 09:29:42
gnome, do you think Cambodia changes for the worse like the view expressed by our columnist?


From: khemara15
12/12/2007 00:48:46

I knew you were being polite, not ass kissing.

Being called "lok" or whatever  makes me feel old.

 

 



From: Cambodia
12/12/2007 00:44:15

Thank you, gnome, for your feedback.

If I gave the impression that everybody in Cambodia was materialistic, money-minded, then I definitely gave the wrong impression.

My main point is that the land frenzy in the past two years has changed many people and revealed a side of many Khmers that has made me wonder about the image I had about the "salt of the earth" khmers I used to romanticize about.

If you recognize your own relatives and friends as belonging to the people I was commenting on, please accept that I did not mean to criticize them personally.

As gnome pointed out, I was sharing my observations and this is only one perspective.

 



From: gnome
12/11/2007 23:55:08

gnome read both of your articles and gnome didn't think it was for cynic reasons at all, no less than a journalist visiting cambodia and stating an observation - not saying that you are journalist. of course, there maybe a little bias when one writes, but who isn't biased when reporting a viewpoint? even top professional journalists of washington post, cnn, and bbc admits there's no such thing as an unbiased report. the best they can do is to try to be unbiased and which i think khemara has done a good job of w/ the "changing cambodia" especially for someone who has experience it firsthand.

it is these kind of no-sugar-coating viewpoints that the public (mainly people outside of cambodia) really needs to understand. and gnome sees no reason why khemara15 would purposely exaggerate the circumstances of an already broken society and culture. 

in ahmom defense, "changing cambodia" is only one column of one person's perspective and of course, expect there to be more columns from khemara15 about cambodia that isn't so sweet.

even though the columnist may sound "pessimistic" it doesn't mean the message is a complete lie and exaggeration. gnome knows some "rich" people there in cambodia who became rich from selling lands and they drive a 70k mercedez and treat everyone else around them like dirt.



From: mystic
12/11/2007 23:39:31

noted K15 it is. :)  

 Sometimes people mistake politeness for ass kissing. 

 



From: khemara15
12/11/2007 22:10:01

K15, I earn every single star my friend

Earn? sounds like a lot of hard work and too much justice!!!

I want to be able to BUY stars, e.g. general's or even marshal's stars, movie stars,  like in Cambodia.

You were talking about producing a TV commercial for myP1t.

well, that's going to cost money. If the Cambodian government sells titles like Oknha and Ach Modom, myP1t should consider selling stars. Only kidding, everyone!!!!

 



From: KSaron
12/11/2007 21:56:51

K15, I earn every single star my friend. 


Thank you for sharing your view about Cambodia with us.  I'm glad that we are able to exchange our thoughts and thanks to this site I hope we will help each other become better.



From: khemara15
12/11/2007 20:45:20

Hi Mystic, long time no hear,  LOL

Please drop the Lok. Thank you.

Only insecure people like the Three Stooges of the CPP need such long titles and to call me Ach Modom is just as bad. 

K15 is fine.  

Myp1t is a community of equals.  No ass kissing of mods or anyone. I like it here, in case you have not noticed.

Now, administrators, how come KSaron has got three stars and I only have half-a-star???? Just kidding. LOL



From: Cambodia
12/11/2007 20:35:06

You are welcome, Mystic and THANK YOU! for your feedback.

I am now totally convinced that I made the right decision in joining myp1t. 

I am amazed that a site that appears to only have 300 members (as of today)is so active and so vibrant, as far as debates are concerned.

I really hope this will continue.

I intend to contribute to a healthy debate both in this Column and  as Khemara15.

P.S. In case people have not noticed Khemara15's avatar, it is Cambodia as a person crying over what is happening in Cambodia. And that's exactly how many people (myself included) feel. 

 

 



From: mystic
12/11/2007 20:19:21
Thanks Ahmom and Lok K15 for the thought provoking exchange of thoughts. Enjoy reading very much thank you. :)


From: Cambodia
12/11/2007 17:06:48

Hello Ah Mom, Thank you for your comment. You wrote

Those pure Khmers you talk about, who go out buy stuff using money from
their land proceeds, do it just to be able to gain respect enjoyed by
the “have” class.

The materialism in Cambodia  is not only about how cluttered, overdecorated houses or people (especially women) are.

It is also and mostly about how most people (not only the pure Khmers) think that they gain respect from other people by flaunting their wealth. In my opinion, there is a very strong "showing off", not just keeping up with, actually overtaking the Joneses.

You mentioned the money-mindedness in other countries and the US. I could give you the example of at least one overpopulated Asian country (Bangladesh) which is as poor as Cambodia and where people do not seem to be as pushy or as materialistic.

Thank you for your kind words about me. You may be right in calling me a cynic ( I did use the word in my "hello" column).

I prefer to think of myself as a critic.




From: ahmom
12/11/2007 11:56:06
When I first came to the US from Srok Khmer not that many years ago, all my belongings fitted in two small suitcases. Instead of listing how many pairs of shoes I now have so on and so forth, let’s just say I have a house full of crap. Many of the things I have are not needed, but I have them anyway because I live in America where consumerism culture is consuming just about everyone regardless of their ethics on material things. In Cambodia a cluttered house does not necessarily mean its community is hopelessly materialistic rather it means saving everything because one used to not have anything. Consumerism culture is Cambodia is not YET as bad as it is the first world countries. The problem we face is the lingering issue of class and status mentality. Those pure Khmers you talk about, who go out buy stuff using money from their land proceeds, do it just to be able to gain respect enjoyed by the “have” class. Our Khmer society is not yet as materialistic as many developed societies out there and our people are not any more money-minded than other races. But until we can overcome or try to overcome the class and status mentality, we risk losing to materialism mindset and worse yet becoming its slaves. All of which ensure endangerment to livelihood.

Bong, you’re not so much a judgmental type rather a cynical one. Having moved back to live in Cambodia even though you’re pessimistic about her future says a lot about your strength and character. I am sure deep down there is a lot of positive thoughts within you just that when you write you like to hide them. That’s all I am going to say for now.



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